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	<title>Comments on: Facebook, Here is Misinformation</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: XT</title>
		<link>http://www.ideashower.com/blog/facebook-im-still-watching-you-watch-me/#comment-1866</link>
		<dc:creator>XT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'Being on the internet is Not the same as stepping onto a public street. Communication from my computer to the computer that holds the information I am requesting should have the same confidentiality privileges as doctor-patient or journalist-source.'
Hum not sure about this. Where I live, there are cameras at each street corner. They are not small ones either, not mentioning that now sounds are recorded too and in some areas, you can get told off for whatever you're doing on the spot via being watched with one of these cams. Very BB (Big Brother, not Brigitte Bardot..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Being on the internet is Not the same as stepping onto a public street. Communication from my computer to the computer that holds the information I am requesting should have the same confidentiality privileges as doctor-patient or journalist-source.&#8217;<br />
Hum not sure about this. Where I live, there are cameras at each street corner. They are not small ones either, not mentioning that now sounds are recorded too and in some areas, you can get told off for whatever you&#8217;re doing on the spot via being watched with one of these cams. Very BB (Big Brother, not Brigitte Bardot..)</p>
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		<title>By: RicketyCat</title>
		<link>http://www.ideashower.com/blog/facebook-im-still-watching-you-watch-me/#comment-1145</link>
		<dc:creator>RicketyCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not exactly sure why some of the comments are negating the concern that has been expressed about FaceBook. "Gmail and MySpace do it," are straw-man fallacies.

I'm not exactly sure if either of those two sites ever claimed not to store personal data. In the case of Gamil, it was known that they would continue their practices as established under the normal search routines. Almost, but not quite, do they cross the line of privacy invasion.

MySpace...well...teenagers don't seem to care much. I made so many joke accounts there, including Gillian Anderson (the whale doc from Star Trek IV), just to test that site. I got all the expected crud associated with just having an account there.

Here's the difference: FaceBook announced that they do not receive information if the user opts out. They neglected to mention that if you select, even once, the "stay logged in" feature, it would always track you. They denied this, they may be trying to back away from it. And now with this latest update (thanks for doing this btw),  
we now can see that they are admitting to receiving the information. "We delete it," doesn't smell right. Isn't it currently federally illegal to delete electronically transferred data?

Yeah, companies are gonna do this. Potential G-mailers knew before hand and most didn't go for it. MySpacers are apparently willing to pay the price for what little fame they can acquire. Facebookers are howling mad about it and are trying to get the company, or government to act on it.

Being on the internet is Not the same as stepping onto a public street. Communication from my computer to the computer that holds the information I am requesting should have the same confidentiality privileges as doctor-patient or journalist-source. Any intervening body, whether private, corporate, or governmental Must be required to have reasonable cause to suspect criminal activity to even to attempt to see that information.

This is simply where it begins. If FaceBook fails because of it, the next company to try it will get the same treatment until somebody steps in and sets a control on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not exactly sure why some of the comments are negating the concern that has been expressed about FaceBook. &#8220;Gmail and MySpace do it,&#8221; are straw-man fallacies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not exactly sure if either of those two sites ever claimed not to store personal data. In the case of Gamil, it was known that they would continue their practices as established under the normal search routines. Almost, but not quite, do they cross the line of privacy invasion.</p>
<p>MySpace&#8230;well&#8230;teenagers don&#8217;t seem to care much. I made so many joke accounts there, including Gillian Anderson (the whale doc from Star Trek IV), just to test that site. I got all the expected crud associated with just having an account there.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the difference: FaceBook announced that they do not receive information if the user opts out. They neglected to mention that if you select, even once, the &#8220;stay logged in&#8221; feature, it would always track you. They denied this, they may be trying to back away from it. And now with this latest update (thanks for doing this btw),<br />
we now can see that they are admitting to receiving the information. &#8220;We delete it,&#8221; doesn&#8217;t smell right. Isn&#8217;t it currently federally illegal to delete electronically transferred data?</p>
<p>Yeah, companies are gonna do this. Potential G-mailers knew before hand and most didn&#8217;t go for it. MySpacers are apparently willing to pay the price for what little fame they can acquire. Facebookers are howling mad about it and are trying to get the company, or government to act on it.</p>
<p>Being on the internet is Not the same as stepping onto a public street. Communication from my computer to the computer that holds the information I am requesting should have the same confidentiality privileges as doctor-patient or journalist-source. Any intervening body, whether private, corporate, or governmental Must be required to have reasonable cause to suspect criminal activity to even to attempt to see that information.</p>
<p>This is simply where it begins. If FaceBook fails because of it, the next company to try it will get the same treatment until somebody steps in and sets a control on it.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueMountain II</title>
		<link>http://www.ideashower.com/blog/facebook-im-still-watching-you-watch-me/#comment-1077</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueMountain II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FaceBook will go in history as the second BlueMountain.
http://smartstartup.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/10/its-deja-vu-all.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FaceBook will go in history as the second BlueMountain.<br />
<a href="http://smartstartup.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/10/its-deja-vu-all.html" rel="nofollow">http://smartstartup.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/10/its-deja-vu-all.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Free Chat Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.ideashower.com/blog/facebook-im-still-watching-you-watch-me/#comment-1045</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Chat Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how much facebook will make in the personal information business. What a low life thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much facebook will make in the personal information business. What a low life thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Quick update links: Facebook Beacon and spectrum auction - im addicted</title>
		<link>http://www.ideashower.com/blog/facebook-im-still-watching-you-watch-me/#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator>Quick update links: Facebook Beacon and spectrum auction - im addicted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Facebook can track users even when they&#8217;re logged out, but says they don&#8217;t. If you&#8217;ve ever received a Beacon ad from a Facebook partner while logged in to Facebook, Facebook can tie your username at the partner&#8217;s site to your Facebook page. Also, even if you say &#8216;No Thanks&#8217; the data is still transmitted to Facebook, but they say that they don&#8217;t keep it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Facebook can track users even when they&#8217;re logged out, but says they don&#8217;t. If you&#8217;ve ever received a Beacon ad from a Facebook partner while logged in to Facebook, Facebook can tie your username at the partner&#8217;s site to your Facebook page. Also, even if you say &#8216;No Thanks&#8217; the data is still transmitted to Facebook, but they say that they don&#8217;t keep it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pixel Mixture &#187; Archive du blog &#187; Facebook again</title>
		<link>http://www.ideashower.com/blog/facebook-im-still-watching-you-watch-me/#comment-971</link>
		<dc:creator>Pixel Mixture &#187; Archive du blog &#187; Facebook again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] autre new pas vraiment réjouissante ici&#8230; En gros, Facebook ne tient pas compte des choix effectués dans le profil et [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] autre new pas vraiment réjouissante ici&#8230; En gros, Facebook ne tient pas compte des choix effectués dans le profil et [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MERLiiN</title>
		<link>http://www.ideashower.com/blog/facebook-im-still-watching-you-watch-me/#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator>MERLiiN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least is sounds like they can still dig out the statistics and other trend data from the web server logs alone. I haven't poured over their documentation, but I suspect that what data they extract from their own logs might be treated differently. The value of the data alone is still unquestionable whether it can be linked to a user account or not. To me it feels like facebook "reinvented and legitimized" spyware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least is sounds like they can still dig out the statistics and other trend data from the web server logs alone. I haven&#8217;t poured over their documentation, but I suspect that what data they extract from their own logs might be treated differently. The value of the data alone is still unquestionable whether it can be linked to a user account or not. To me it feels like facebook &#8220;reinvented and legitimized&#8221; spyware.</p>
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		<title>By: madthoughts</title>
		<link>http://www.ideashower.com/blog/facebook-im-still-watching-you-watch-me/#comment-913</link>
		<dc:creator>madthoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be called ignorant aside, this was a great post and a great conversation. Thanks N! And thanks for the updates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be called ignorant aside, this was a great post and a great conversation. Thanks N! And thanks for the updates.</p>
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		<title>By: spinner</title>
		<link>http://www.ideashower.com/blog/facebook-im-still-watching-you-watch-me/#comment-907</link>
		<dc:creator>spinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People. If you want you use something on the internet you should accept the fact that your data is accessible to others one way or the other. If you don't like it, don't use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People. If you want you use something on the internet you should accept the fact that your data is accessible to others one way or the other. If you don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Jive Interests &#187; Om Malik Was Right: With Facebook, Your Opt In Status Doesn&#8217;t Make A Whit Of Difference.</title>
		<link>http://www.ideashower.com/blog/facebook-im-still-watching-you-watch-me/#comment-905</link>
		<dc:creator>Deep Jive Interests &#187; Om Malik Was Right: With Facebook, Your Opt In Status Doesn&#8217;t Make A Whit Of Difference.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] {more from IdeaShower as well, who catches a Facebook executive either not actually knowing what&#8217;s going on, or inadvertently lying to a blogger} [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] {more from IdeaShower as well, who catches a Facebook executive either not actually knowing what&#8217;s going on, or inadvertently lying to a blogger} [...]</p>
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